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Updated: June 11, 2025
"I'm not saying who told it to me. But let's get on with some of your other 'patriotic' activities. On Thursday, June 18, 1936, you visited Captain Trauernicht in company with Count von Bülow " For the first time since the interview began Schwinn sat upright in his chair as if I had struck him.
"He was broke," Schwinn interrupted weakly. "If he was so broke, how do you account for his carrying around an expensive camera and always having plenty of film with which to photograph American naval and military spots?" "I don't know. Maybe he carried the camera around to hock in case he went broke." The absurdity of the excuse was so patent that I laughed. Schwinn smiled a little. "All right.
Rodriguez kept in touch with Schwinn through Henry Allen, a native American of San Diego, who acts as liaison man. It was Allen, on orders from Schwinn, who last year secretly met in Guaymas Ramon F. Iturbe, a member of the Mexican Chamber of Deputies. Iturbe is in constant touch with the fascist groups in Mexico City.
Schwinn is a naturalized citizen, a comparatively young man in his early thirties, ruddy-faced and with a thin, quivering mustache on his upper lip. This little Führer's office is just off the meeting hall and adjoins the small bookstore where the purchaser can get pamphlets, books, and newspapers attacking democracy.
Allen is apparently a prolific writer of bad checks and of long reports about his activities to his superiors. Deatherage now lives and operates out of St. Albans, W. Va. He organized the American Nationalist Confederation which used to have its headquarters in Palo Alto, Calif. Both these gentlemen also work with Schwinn.
Schwinn, for instance, keeps a regular list of the German-American Bund members at the Deutsches Haus in Los Angeles. The native American members, however, are not listed. The names are kept in code and only Schwinn knows the code numbers.
All the other subjects had left him slightly disturbed but still with an obvious sense that he was not on particularly dangerous ground. But at the mention of Von Bülow's name a look of actual fear spread over his face. "On that day," I continued, "you and the Count went directly to the Captain's cabin where you handed over your reports " "What are you getting at?" Schwinn demanded sharply.
"The Consul isn't. You know, of course, that he does not like you?" A deep red flush suffused his face. "It's mutual!" he said. "I know he talks " Throughout the interview Schwinn tried almost pathetically, despite his obvious dislike of Gyssling, to cover up the Consul's interference in American affairs.
Allen, the reader may recollect, helped Schwinn organize the Mexican Gold Shirts which unsuccessfully attempted to seize the Mexican Government. Allen is still active in a plot to overthrow the Cárdenas Government, working at the moment with Gen. Ramon F. Iturbe, a member of the Mexican Chamber of Deputies, with Gen.
But are you sure he didn't come from Germany on his latest trip in January of last year?" Schwinn smiled a little wryly. "He might have," he said in the same low tone. "He's a personal friend of Rudolf Hess " "Listen!" Schwinn exclaimed. "You're on the wrong track!" "Maybe; but what's his business here?" "He's a businessman!" "What's his business?" Schwinn shrugged his shoulders.
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