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Vergerius afterwards related that he had found Luther to be coarse in conversation, and his Latin bad, and had answered him as far as possible in monosyllables. The excuse he urged for his interview was that Luther and Bugenhagen were the only men of learning at Wittenberg, with whom he could converse in Latin.
Nevertheless he promised to attend the proposed Council, even though he should be burned by it. It was the same to him, he said, whether it was held at Mantua, Padua, or Florence, or anywhere else. 'Would you come to Bologna? said Vergerius. Luther asked, thereupon, to whom Bologna belonged, and on being told 'to the Pope, 'Gracious heavens, he exclaimed, 'has the Pope seized that town too?
Very well, I will come to you even there. Vergerius politely hinted that the Pope himself, would not refuse to come to Wittenberg.
'Let him come, said Luther; 'we shall be very glad to see him. 'But, said Vergerius, 'would you have him come with arms or without? 'As he pleases, replied Luther; 'we shall be ready to receive him in either way. When the legate, after their meal, was mounting his horse to depart, he said to Luther, 'Be sure to hold yourself in readiness for the Council. 'Yes, sir, was the reply, 'with this my very neck and head.
With this object, and with a view in particular of arranging the place where the Council should be held, which he proposed should be Mantua, he sent a nuncio, the Cardinal Vergerius, to Germany. In August 1535 Luther was desired by his Elector to submit an opinion on the proposals of the Pope.
So important must Vergerius have thought it, to attempt to influence, if even only partially, the powerful adviser of the Protestant princes, and thereby to prevent him from check-mating his plans in regard to a Council. And in this respect Vergerius must have had considerable confidence in himself. The next morning Luther ordered his barber to come at an unusually early hour.
When they came to speak about the settlement of the Church questions in dispute by a Council, Vergerius reminded him that one individual fallible man had no right to consider himself wiser than the Councils, the ancient Fathers, and other theologians of Christendom.
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